No change in data , no change in sound , simple as that. Also, instead of a 16-bit depth, it uses a 1-bit depth. 1 setup. Limited Edition Numbered SACD CMOB 2260 SA $29. Myke, Dec 4, 2013. tlake6659 said: ↑. Stereophile SACD test Hi everybody, I've just joined this forum after reading this thread on the Stereophile test. To finish with the digital versions, the version in 360 (RA) Reality Audio brings a great rendering in 7. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. Note the word “indistinguishable. Technically, it's more an aesthetic choice or trying to be louder than the other band on the street. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Following a change in how Billboard counts sales in 2009, it re-entered the chart and has since appeared for over 900 weeks. The dynamic range of vinyl is about 75dB, CD is 96dB, SACD is 120dB, and the human ear picks up 130dB. The Beethoven symphony cycle on LSO Live (Haitink, 2006) is an SACD hybrid set. Low Noise Floor: SACDs tend to have a lower noise floor compared to vinyl records, which means less background noise or surface noise during playback. Yours may be different. I have a few titles on both vinyl, r2r, cd and SACD. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". The string attack, decay, soundstage, and imaging are way ahead of the SACD. Well as I might have expected the SACD was the best. Alan Blumlien of EMI in the 1930’s patented analog stereo, to be first used on. It is a high end format accessible to someone who doesn't want to mess with a protractor, cleaning records or flipping a disc every 20 minutes. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by swinger, Mar 2, 2004. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Oh and if you like SACDs, most of the masters were made on digital audio workstations that are PCM. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Also, do you think SACD has good future in the massive market? I also posted this thread in the "digital" seecion, sorry about that but some people only enter to this section. It lacks the deep bass of the Abkco pressing but sounds so much more "vivid" and real. Then I bought the new SACD version. The album features classics such as "Spanish Castle Magic," "Little Wing," "Castles Made Of Sand,". 49. Availability: In Stock. The difference between 24/192 and DSD is that the DSD sounds more analog like, but this is not a huge difference in overall sound quality. Page 7 of 10 < Prev 1. Tony Plachy, Jan 7, 2015. For 11 years, I’ve enjoyed a Puccini + U-clock to spin CDs and (especially) SACDs. It may still engage me more, even if the SQ overall is not as pristine as an SACD. Im just wondering when? Menu. 00. Head Gear. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours - 45 RPM Vinyl Record. However, I have tested the EQ of my cartridge and phono stage and in all the following examples, that EQ has been reversed out of the vinyl samples so that what we're comparing is the true EQ of what's in the LP groove. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. Just trust your ears, as I do mine. Mirror Image Forum Resident. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. Madman Across the Water SACD vs CD vs LP. Link to comment Share on other sites. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Tip about the 1812, the first cannon shot is the toughest of the lot to track, that one is a beastie (the Shure V 15 Type IV mounted on a SME III tonearm came closest in the day, or the Audio-Technica 440 ML). S. 8224 MHz. . The world's largest high-end audio community. . This gives SACD a very distinct improvement in transient response. Roland. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. . It plays PCM and may not do high res. • 180 Gram Vinyl Record. (Warner 3010-2, mastering credit: Perry, Caillat) for 9. . NorthNY Mark and Espen R like this. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Hard to say which sounds better, but they both sound very hard to top. 1 kHz sampling rate, SACD samples at 2. I was still unconvinced. 24. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. (Figures IIRC, can't find citation at the moment. The category "Outstanding" doesn't mean audiophile sound, but outstanding quality compared to original pressings. The curve below compares the spectra of vinyl and SACD. SACD. DJM CD very excellent as is the MCA clone mastering of the DJM. The SACD just seemed too in my face and bright. DeepDiscount has 1/25 as the release date. DSD is also far more accurate where it counts, in the meaty. SACD tend to be level adjusted a bit higher than other formats,so will sound more impressive on a A/B comparison. I like Analogue Productions' work, so it should be interesting to hear how they sound. The MFSL SACD I could tell immediately that it didn't hold a candle to the MFSL 2-45 issue, or I think even the MOV mono pressing. Sign in with Twitter. The category "Outstanding" doesn't mean audiophile sound, but outstanding quality compared to original pressings. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. It's great for archiving, in it's day. Sex Lies And Master Tapes, Sep 16, 2022. I'm a pretty big NIN fan, so price isn't a problem, I'm just wondering if the Vinyl player would be higher quality than the SACD Deluxe Version. Certainly better than 3 or 4 other vinyl versions I have owned over the years. One is the MFSL version which I loved. After purchasing The Cars S/T, Candy-O, and Shake It Up on MFSL vinyl, here are my thoughts. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. Overall, Aja represents a high-water mark in Steely Dan's career, showcasing the band's unique blend of. Vinyl has more. The MoFi vinyl is a real eye-opener. It's rather disingenuous to claim 150 dB dynamic range for CD audio. The real advantage of a (multichannel) SACD player is the ability to listen to the surround sound recording. . Shawn, Dec 8, 2012. To finish with the digital versions, the version in 360 (RA) Reality Audio brings a great rendering. $12. Nowadays I listen to vinyl. Whether you are just getting started building a classical music collection, or a seasoned collector, there are many ways in which to enjoy the music. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Blows them all away with more full body richness. I decided to include CD quality as well – and a couple other comparisons thrown in for good measure. I have the five Steve Wilson blu-ray audio 5. We really need to move on, but SACD and DVD-A and BluRay have so far not killed the Red Book standard disc. An XRCD is just a redbook CD that goes through a special mastering process, usually at 20 or 24 bit, as apposed to a standard redbook CD that is mastered at 16 bits (the XRCD's are converted down to 16 bit at the end of the mastering process in order to retain compatibility with redbook standard). Quote: Originally Posted by FenderP To me, it's not about formats. There isn't an answer as to what sounds better it really is just personal preference. When it comes to listening to music, there are two main formats that audiophiles swear by: SACD players and vinyl. label will be coming to hybrid stereo SACD (playable on all CD players) as well as to audiophile-standard UltraDisc One-Step 180-gram, 45 RPM vinyl. I found pretty cheap options in my local stores with used items: DVD player - Philips DVD-SACD 763SA (has SACD support) SACD player - SONY SCD-XE670. New items New comments Author list Series Latest content Latest updates Latest reviews. SHM-SACD vs Original LP/Original LP-rip, Original CD and other reissues. The vocals are real, the acoustic guitars are EQ'd perfectly. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". All that being written, the dilemma, SACD vs. Hi-res digital audio vs sacd I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. Vinyl. This opinion is based on over 2 dozen CD, SACD/CD players and transport/DACS I've heard here over the past 18 months. I run through a comparison review about this subject today. For comparison of the 2022 SACD and vinyl: I have to do it again with all releases. Both vinyl records and Super Audio CDs have. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. It was mastered by Bob Ludwig in December 2002. The 777ES does not perform at its best upon power-on. This is the average EQ of the first track, Tears of. If the system is highly resolving there is a considerable and sometimes overwhelming difference. I have most of the recordings you mention and they're all great. First I played my vinyl copy yesterday and found it be exquisite. It’s a Japanese copy of Dire Straits first lp. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. 7 gigabytes per disk (as much as a DVD), SACD can accommodate separate stereo and six-channel mixes of 100 minutes each. Vinyl. View entire discussion. I'm getting older so no longer hear above 16kHz, so that means 320 kbps mp3 is pretty much transparent to me, as well as v0 vbr mp3. Midrange is sweet. 5 copies of steve davis' "quality of silence" hybrid sacd from her and she sent along a cd-r of her whole published vinyl theories. - John SunierMoody Blues "Question of bal. Rolling Stone ranked them No. . I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Worse yet, the voices felt 'simplified' somehow, almost boring. First, All music is on Vinyl. I will add this is one album I prefer listening to on CD (the MFSL release) or especially SACD vs vinyl so take my opinion with a grain of salt. The fact that the DSD pulse train VISUALLY happens to look more like the analog signal than the string of binary numbers that result from PCM encoding is meaningless - since both must be converted to analog audio anyway. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage . This is really about "The Downward Spiral" re-release. A lot of pops and crackles ("a lot" for a brand new MFSL vinyl, I mean) on the. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Hendersonville, Tennessee Home of Cash & Orbison. The authors aren’t saying that high-res digital might sound a little different from Red Book CD but is no better. Get the DCC Gold CD of the Platinum-SHM mastering. On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more,. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. The SACD features the 2018 remix of the iconic 1977 Pink Floyd album for the first time, by long-time producer/engineer James Guthrie. Like the DVD, SACD was a dual-layer format, but instead of one or two high-density layers, the SACD could have a high-density layer and a CD-compatible layer, so the. I don't know which is more truthful. KeithH Success With Honor. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. A lot of pops and crackles ("a lot" for a brand new MFSL vinyl, I mean) on the. . Direct Stream Digital (DSD) is a trademark used by Sony and Philips for their system for digitally encoding audio signals for the Super Audio CD (SACD). g. 1k Posted October 24, 2003 The XRCD probably had a goosed up high end and somebody was fooled into preferring it. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. SACD players have a 8 to 10 second delay as they switch layers and the mastering can be different on different layers, even on the same hybrid SACD. Location: West Hollywood, CA and Inverness, IL. Whether is was done 15-20-30 years ago or today. I agree with you about surface noise. vinyl, I'm surprised no one has brought up the concept of DSD's "euphoric distortion" and how that might relate to the perception of increased sound quality. . 1/96/192 has little audible effect, ever hear a 20k test tone? The whole resolution. In the end it really comes down to the transfer and the mastering. If it's a hi-res source of unknown origin it will simply say "HR". The dynamic range of vinyl is about 75dB, CD is 96dB, SACD is 120dB, and the human ear picks up 130dB. Still waiting form "Brothers in Arms" on SACD I have also ordered the MoFi vinyl releases of: "Love Over Gold", "Dire Straits" and "Brothers in Arms" I look forward to comparing SACD vs Vinyl *reelspin* My thought process is I should buy them while they are relatively new and prices have not reached $200+ each yet. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. The thing that I found most interesting when reviewing the first-time LP record pressing of George Harrison’s 1992 live album — called simply Live In Japan — was not the high quality, dark black, perfectly. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Then I bought the new SACD version. . Unfortunately, the vinyl and CDs were impressive but not immersive. November 4th for CBAT. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". CD vs. It sounds like MoFi master their vinyl and SACD separately. On a CD, the separation between the left and right channels used in recording is over 90 dB. The Analogue Productions SACD of Pink Floyd ‘s The Dark Side of the Moon is finally shipping after a long wait. for making the SACD version, and instead they CHOSE James Guthrie, who was an engineer producing, e. CD has a tint. Then I bought the new SACD version. As a college student, he played in indie bands, created his own LPs, cassettes, and t-shirts, and sold them at shows. I don't know which is more truthful. SACD’s technical advantages, high resolution, dynamic range, and low noise. For vinyl I currently have the 2009 Classic 200g, I think mastered by Grundman. More 'holographic', deeper staging. SACD vs. 10 per disc, while the royalty on a DVD-Audio disc was around four times higher. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. . The ABCX-758A/B as mentioned above is my favorite. SACD sure isn't growing but Analogue Productions, MFSL, Refefence Recordings and Universal/Sony out of Japan/HK continue to release new albums on SACD. For Up, SACD is the one to get. The higher resolution of the blu ray might also explain the audible tape hiss not heard on the cd. swinger Member Thread Starter. 1447) Join Date Dec 2011 Location Tynemouth, England Posts 2,457 Mentioned 43 Post(s)SACD vs. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. That means engineers have a much narrower range to work with when they’re mixing and mastering the audio, and the result, for the listener, is that the stereo “image” is highly constricted. MikeT, Nov 3, 2019. deeper, wider sound field. Bonus enjoyment if you have a 5. When I got my better audio system I bought a dedicated two channel Sony SCD-1 player. Fred Dender and Grampire like this. The choice between the two depends on personal preferences and the desired sonic attributes. Standard CDs still constitute over 94% of the market, cassettes about 5%, and vinyl LPs easily outselling both new high resolution format discs during the first half of this year 661,000 sold versus only 92,000!. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. " Arrival Date To Be Announced " for the others. . . DVD-Audio/SACD vs Vinyl sound quality? Discussion in ' Music Corner ' started by Vinophile, May 22, 2006 . Kevin Gray's work is superior, no matter the format. Let those on the discussion who know Sonos explain what Sonos can do and play better. although DVD-Audio does sound great too. if one uses the instruments attached to the sides of his head, he will be picking sacd over rbcd. That depends on what you are looking for. However, play the SACD mono mix (or Sundazed mono vinyl-whatever you've got) on a half decent stereo system today and all the heavy compression, notch EQ-ing, and tricks he had to pull are exposed: the vocals are generally cranked up, that tambourine is really loud, and Crosby's rhythm guitar is generally buried in the mix. . Ironically, the royalty for an SACD was the same as for a CD: $. I've heard many great sounding redbook cd's and I've heard some horrible vinyl. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. of the Dark Side of the Moon, is NOT good sonically. Between vinyl and SACD, I buy SACD. Dynamics are out of this world. The 16/44. But Sony is almost 4 times more. Cardioid microphones are a good choice for general-purpose recording and live sound reinforcement, while supercardioid microphones are better suited for more challenging environments where there is a lot of ambient noise and the sound source needs to be isolated more tightly. If something has "Vinyl" in the title it's a needledrop. You can’t go wrong there. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Bluebook The right price. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Like a garage/ alley band. It came as a total shock to me, since I heard so many people claim that SACD is mostly an overkill for the human ear. My favourite Mix of Dark Side of the Moon is a Bootleg believe it or not , The Alan Parsons Original Quadrophonic Mix. On September 16th Analogue Productions announced they will reissue the entire ABC/MCA Records Steely Dan catalog on SACD, and 45rpm UHQR LP, beginning November 4th with their debut album Can't Buy A Thrill, now in its 50th anniversary year. Not that the SACD doesn't sound really good. Also my opinion only. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by fluffskul, Apr 26, 2012. . What do you think about SACD vs Vinyl in sound terms? I know it has been deiscussed but if you feel like answer me now after some years after its. Often times, the. CD, SACD vs LP, Vinyl, Album#CD #vinyl #hifiFor those of you who have not seen my complete music room and system tour and LP, CD SACD tour please click on th. With estimated sales of. . DSD vs SACD vs Vinyl Whenever I look for an older album or artist, seemingly WITHOUT FAIL they are not available as a DSD download. Multi. I own the Nautalus half-speed master from the 70's and owned the SACD. Denon - DCD-A110 SACD/CD Player. The band did NOT like it at all. 24 bit: Best of the bunch. Native DSD64 (SACD) is better still and DSD128 recordings are amazingly good. MP3 is a very common form of lossy compression, which can have bit rates from 32 kilobits per second (kbps) up to 320 kbps. It seems that while expensive turntables, tone arms and phono stages are easily jusitifed in these type of. Then I bought the new SACD version. Quote: Originally Posted by daltonlanny CD's actually have a better signal to noise ratio in the top octave, and better dynamic range in the upper octave than SACD's do. Dec 10, 2005. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I don't know which is more truthful. If you like those genres then I can support jumping into SACD's in 2022. But I don't have an LP with the exact same mastering as an SACD so I can't do any type of apples-to-apples comparison (and even then equipment comes in to play). Vinyl. Anyway, my sense is that good vinyl and good SACD are probably comparable but there are a lot of other variables such as quality of the music system etc. Quote: Originally posted by kelly jopi The largest problem I have with these subjective opinions is that rarely are both the SACD player and the turntable system of equal quality. Every time. #2. . Lower bitrates are used only for speech. ? I jumped into the SACD thing because I wanted agood digital source for my CDs so I said why not pay some more and get SACD. Music41 said: ↑. The SACD is wonderful sounding reworking, giving the very believable and acceptable illusion that the original recording was pretty good. I compared the 2003 SACD and the Mofi: the noise is certainly clearer on the Mofi, but it's present on the 2003. . Yes, but SACD's extend far above redbook. . " DeTurk is a big advocate. The presence of the CD layer shouldn't affect at all (at least in principle) the reading of the SACD layer. This is the first time the. UPC: 093624979340: Availability:. Moody Blues "Question of bal. Smoother, more open, and slightly fuller than redbook, without the added distortion of vinyl or the oddness in the upper registers heard on SACD. I think it would be wise if all nicely done remasterings today (for CD, vinyl, SACD, whatever) also include a back-up/safety copy of the actual master tape (plus minor EQ changes if necessary) onto 24/192. Shawn, Dec 8, 2012. Super Audio CD (SACD) is an optical disc format for audio storage introduced in 1999. High Resolution: SACD offers a significantly higher sample rate and bit depth, resulting in more accurate and. SACD is not always better than some CD. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Gooey black bag houses an extremely high quality record sleeve with postcards, posters, 320 kbps MP3 download and sturdy inner sleeve and a very nice vinyl record in a plastic sleeve. I don't know which is more truthful. Both formats offer unique qualities that appeal to discerning music enthusiasts, and the choice between them often comes down to personal preference and the pursuit of sonic perfection. I don't know which is more truthful. Voted Vinyl. DeTurk quickly added, "The vinyl's sound always destroys the peak-limited, 16-bit CD version, it kills it dead. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. The overall mastering job is superior on the Abkco releases and the detail is greater on both the SACD and vinyl reissuses. To address a few questions; there are two seperate series, stereo and Mono in the Prestige SACD series, each with unique titles. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Nantes, France. Blows them all away with more full body richness. The initial presentation changed from relatively mechanical to one with atmosphere and naturalness. Aug 15, 2012. OTOH, there are many recordings from the 60s, 70s, and 80s that are of poor sound quality. The best of both worlds is vinyl ripped on a very high end rig in High res and then converted to DSD. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". SACD- smooth, mellow sound. Menu. The MoFi vinyl is a real eye-opener. As for sound I am betting you will become a believer in the merits of vinyl. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. vinyl debate ultimately comes down to personal preference and the listening experience you seek. What you're saying about DACs, i. Limited Edition Numbered SACD CMOB 2260 SA $29. • 180 Gram Vinyl Record. Both vinyl records and Super Audio CDs have their merits and drawbacks, and the choice ultimately comes down to personal taste and priorities. But for myself, I think that SACD, when it is really done right (ei: A really good true DSD player, combined with either Pure-DSD recordings, or DSD from pure analog recordings) has many of the. 11-16-2011 at 02:28pm. By all means, get the 4 DCC's. Singles 1969-1973 has a re-record or two, a little remixing, and other touches. Video and Audio Formats on Plastic – Part 3 is an introduction to audio formats on CD, SACD, DVD, DVDA and Blu-Ray. (Not Eligible for Additional Discount) $35. The DVD Forum, headed by Toshiba, refused to pay patent royalties to Sony and Philips, and they launched a competing format: DVD-Audio, which couldn’t be played in a CD player. SACD vs Vinyl Read More » 3) S/T Dire Straits - sounded good, but a bit underwhelming. Elton John Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (D1) (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0001570-36-1) Elton John Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (D2) (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0001570-36-2) Elton John Honky Château (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0003609-36) CD, SACD vs LP, Vinyl, Album#CD #vinyl #hifiFor those of you who have not seen my complete music room and system tour and LP, CD SACD tour please click on th. Vinyl depends on a mechanically driven system, and any such system will introduce minute changes in the speed and pitch of playback. Recent MoFi controversy spurred me to compare sound of MoFi Vinyl to CD, SACD to CD, DSD to FLAC. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. Sample Rate: 2. The following are not reviews in any way—nothing I say really matters. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. I want the best sound. Most are remasters of jazz, blues, classical or classic rock/pop titles. Technically, it's more an aesthetic choice or trying to be louder than the other band on the street. Of the core six Doors records, I only have original-ish pressings of the middle three ( Waiting For The Sun, The Soft Parade, Morrison Hotel ). There’s no shortage of non audiophile hybrid disks that are $35+ vs. Vinyl. So here the thing, i've listen to both Vinyl's CD's and SACD's im trying to see if there's really difference. Yes. Along with LPs, SACDs, reel-to-reel tape and other forms of high-quality audio. I'm hoping that everyone who has voted actually owns both, and are not just excited about the 2016.